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Writing up my shipping preferences for my recent sticky post inspired me to write up a ship manifesto of sorts, not for a particular ship, but for a ship archetype.

I noticed after a while that the vast majority of the slash ships I like fall into an obvious pattern: the knight and the wizard.

The Wizard


The wizard character doesn't need to have actual magic powers. Rather, they excel somehow in the domain of the mind. They may demonstrate physical prowess, but it's overshadowed by their other, more characteristic mind-based talents. Invariably, they also have some kind of personality flaw, psychological quirk, or other social impediment – sometimes a closely guarded secret – that singles them out and causes friction between them and their community.

The Knight


The knight character is typically more in the public eye. They somehow excel are somehow grounded in the physical realm. They are noticeably charismatic, or charming, or at the very least skilled at diplomacy. They have an uncanny ability to inspire people around them to follow their lead and also, as a rule, seem to have a bit of a death wish. Not sure why this is a recurring trait, but it is.

The Ships


I obviously got the idea for the name from BBC Merlin, wherein Merlin is literally a wizard and Arthur is literally a knight, but it didn't really click in my mind until I applied it to Sherlock Holmes (wizard!) and John Watson (knight!)

Here's the list I have so far of ships I've followed at one point or another that outright fit the wizard/knight format:
  • BBC Merlin: Merlin/Arthur

  • BBC Sherlock: Sherlock/John

  • Star Trek TOS AOS: Spock/Kirk

  • Star Trek DS9: Julian Bashir/Elim Garak

  • X-Men: Charles Xavier/Erik Lehnsherr

  • Marvel Cinematic Universe: Tony Stark/Steve Rogers

  • Stargate Atlantis: McKay/Sheppard

  • James Bond: Q/James Bond

  • Teen Wolf: Stiles/Derek

  • DC Comics: Batman/Superman

Batman/Superman is an interesting example because on his own, Bruce is "the Dark Knight" with a death wish, but when he's paired with Superman, it's immediately obvious Bruce is the wizard and Clark is the knight who's constantly dying.

Bashir/Garak is probably the most questionable inclusion, as Garak doesn't seem to meet the "physical realm" qualification of the knight, and I almost left them off the list until I remembered just how often Garak deals with problems by blowing them up.

Here's a further list where fitting the "wizard" criteria relies more than a little on fanon, but you can still clearly see the archetype at work in my love of the ship:
  • Harry Potter: Draco Malfoy/Harry Potter

  • Les Misérables: Grantaire/Enjolras

  • Netflix MCU: Foggy Nelson/Matt Murdock

I think the fact that I seem to have imprinted on this archetype like a baby duckling goes a long way to explain why I've never really gotten into Steve/Bucky, despite the mountains of fabulous content available. They're both knights.

It also seems to predict I should really like Lana Luthor/Kara Zor-El, doesn't it? Because I may not know much about Supergirl past the first few episodes, but she definitely strikes me as a knight, and there's no way a Luthor character isn't somehow a wizard.

Any questions about why I classified these ships the way I did? Can you think of any "wizard/knight" ships I didn't list? Do you notice any recognizable ship archetypes in your own fandom tastes?

Date: 2018-12-18 11:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainlordauditor
For a while I thought my thing was "mirrors", ie, characters with mirrored or paralleled arcs and/or backstories. And while that's definitely true, I think the most common theme among my ships seems to be, deep sigh, the red/blue phenomenon.

Zuko/Katara from Avatar - red/blue, and aspects of the mirror.
Kyouko/Sayaka from Madoka Magica- goodness, could they get any more paralleled? And yup, red/blue.
Korra/Asami - red/blue. In some ways they could be a Knight/Wizard ship, but I'm not sure Korra has enough diplomacy for that.
Steve/Bucky - okay, this one is a bit of a stretch. But in fanon, at least, Bucky is typically associated with red and Steve with blue.

The biggest exceptions seem to be Spot/Race and Jack/Dave from Newsies. In some canons Spot/Race is red/blue, just not the one I favor. Jack/Dave falls squarely under the Wizard/Knight category though.

I will say I think your categorization of Kirk as a Knight is interesting. I always associate him more with philosophy and charm than physical prowess. Would you say having both is a must for a knight, or is one enough (see also my note about Korra)?

Date: 2018-12-19 12:38 am (UTC)
captainlordauditor: An photo looking up at a man in a plaid shirt, pink suspenders and newsboy cap. (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainlordauditor
Oh, for AOS, Kirk is definitely a knight, I agree! I'm more familiar with TOS, where at least half his victories are diplomatic ones.

I think the use of the word "grounded" does make a bit more sense to me; "excels", to me, implies that they're noticeably better at it than their counterpart, rather than it being their default. It also helps make a distinction between the mind-matters of the knight (diplomacy, and perhaps strategy or tactics) and the mind-matters of the wizard (magic, book learning, long term planning).

...Which makes me think that Spot/Race might actually be the straightest example of the Wizard/Knight ship on my list, if we separate it out that way. Huh.

That's a fair point about Asami as a wizard - I was mostly thinking of how heavily mind-oriented she is. I will add though, that I'm not sure "socially disadvantaged" was the impression I got from your initial description of a wizard? Tony Stark is at the top of the pile socially, and all of the people who look down on him are peers rather than positioned above him. He just has some very large personality flaws.

Date: 2018-12-19 02:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] isabellerecs
I was nodding and agreeing right up until I saw Bashir/Garak, but wait that can't be right I thought, only to be brought back around by your defense. I'm not sure Foggy/Matt would need to rely on fanon though, Matt is clearing a knight (death wish and all) and Foggy's go to offense and defense is his words which counts for a power of the mind. Although I suppose his secret is really Matt's secret, so maybe I'm stretching things. ;)

Anyway, marvelous breakdown!

Date: 2018-12-19 04:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bramblepatch
My immediate thought is that the death wish element may not be necessary for the knight archetype, but it's necessary for the wizard/knight dynamic. The wizard needs something about then knight to draw them out and get them invested; their own inherent separation/aloofness from the community means both that they don't get pulled into the the knight's leadership aura as easily as the rest of the group might and that they're less likely to go out on a limb to gain the knight's approval. The wizard's going to chafe at a dynamic where they can be seen as the knight's sidekick (or maybe "squire" would be more appropriate, to stick with the theme). And the knight tends to have people around them that support them in the ways that the wizard's social issues would make difficult.

It's the knight's self-destructive tendencies that either draw the wizard's interest, or give the wizard an angle from which they feel needed, or both. It makes the knight more relatable to the wizard, who often (although not always) has similar self-destructive impulses, or it poses a puzzle that the wizard can get intellectually invested in, leading them to become emotionally invested as well.

Stable knights don't get nosy, fussy wizards hanging around - they're more likely to end up in a different ship dynamic. A courtly love kind of thing, or liege/vassal, or something like that.

Date: 2018-12-19 04:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hlagol
Welp, you've got me pegged.

driveby ships that might qualify:
- Jack/Daniel in Stargate SG-1
- Chirrut Îmwe/Baze Malbus from Star Wars: Rogue One
- Colbert/Fick in Generation Kill.
- Also maybe Hardison/Eliot in Leverage, though I also see Parker thrown in to make an ot3 (she also functions as a knight/wizard hybrid, kinda)
Edited Date: 2018-12-19 05:21 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-12-22 04:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] argentnoelle
Your archetypes idea is really interesting! And I think it can apply both to things shipped and things not shipped. For some reason the Wizard/Knight archetype is one that I almost exclusively like to be gen, and love genfics for but shipping fic with those kinds of characters tends to annoy me over time, though at first I can enjoy it pretty well.
Possibly it's not dark enough?

The archetype that I've noticed across most of the ships I feel strongly about are Hero/Villain, I really like the angst and antagonism and the way heroes and villains are symbolically dichotomous with one another. Because then you can get into problems about morality and what is the line between good and evil, and obsession, and games of wit with life and death :) ...

So Batman/Joker is, like, my biggest example, but I'll ship literally anything with a really intense hero/villain dynamic, sometimes even if I haven't seen the original material (like Clark/Lex in Smallville). Sarah/Jareth, from Labyrinth, is a less dark example but it still applies, and particularly special to me because it's got a girl in the same kind of dynamic, which I feel is kind of rare? (I was super interested in Merlin/Morgana in the show itself before being disappointed by lack of fic that actually kept their canon dynamic.)

Right now I'm also very into Sebastian/Ciel from Black Butler, which breaks slightly from this trend because you can't place one of them as the hero and one as the villain, instead they're villainous protagonists who can sometimes be more like antiheroes, and they're kind of on the same side, but it still has all the stuff that hero/villain dynamics tend to have.

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